Another Kind of Mind: A Different Kind of Beatles Podcast

Dylan and McCartney: the Partners That Never Were

SUMMARY

AKOM presents: DYLAN McCARTNEY The Partners That Never Were

Phoebe and Thalia explore the songwriting of Bob Dylan and Paul McCartney, how their styles differ and overlap and why we think they would complement each other beautifully in a potential collaboration.

Also included: What Bob and Paul have said about each other over the years, song comparison/analysis, John Lennon’s take, a miniature quiz show, and a special surprise Dylan-McCartney mashup!

 

EPISODE CONTENTS

- Intro
- Beyond the Surface
- Influence on Each Other?
- First Impressions
- Swipe Right (Geminis, Painters, DJs, Fanboys)
- Songwriting is Magic
- Poetic Lyrics
- Lyric Comparison
- John’s Two Cents
- Quiz: Dylan or McCartney?
- The Mashup

PLAYLIST (SONGS used in this episode)
Tombstone Blues DYLAN 
A Love For You MCCARTNEY
Joey DYLAN
Tangled up in Blue DYLAN
Another Day MCCARTNEY
I’ll Follow the Sun MCCARTNEY
Musica (from Ecce Cor Meum) MCCARTNEY
Strawberry Fields Forever BEATLES
I Want to Hold Your Hand BEATLES
She Loves You BEATLES
I Saw Her Standing There BEATLES
Please Please Me BEATLES
Black Crown Blues DYLAN
Hello Goodbye BEATLES
Visions of Johanna DYLAN
New York City LEADBELLY
She’s Leaving Home BEATLES
It’s Alright Ma DYLAN
My Back Pages DYLAN
Pretty Little Head MCCARTNEY
She Belongs to Me DYLAN
One of us Must Know (Sooner or Later) DYLAN
I Will MCCARTNEY
Price is Right Theme
Phoebe’s Mash-up (featuring Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie by Bob Dylan and Jazz Street by Paul McCartney and Wings)

AKOM’s DYLAN MCCARTNEY SPOTIFY PLAYLIST:
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3shCVkE5tgmHBpQhLlE1ob?si=3b44de547e9c400f

The News Today OH BOY!

SUMMARY

Phoebe and Daphne discuss the (Beatle) news of the day in this unfiltered, bonus AKOM.

1. Eyes of the Storm
2. Paul Mescal
3. Another Grammy!?
4. Gettin’ High w/ Paul
5. Bowery Ballroom
6. SNL 50
7. New Paul album?!
8. Does He Think of Me? Was He Jealous?
9. John & Paul: A Love Story in Songs
10. McCartney Legacy Pt.2
11. Paul’s Money
12. THE PAUL MCCARTNEY DRAG BALL!
    
    PLAYLIST
    And I Love Her BEATLES (1964)
    Act Naturally BEATLES (1964)
    Now and Then BEATLES (2023)
    Only Mama Knows PAUL MCCARTNEY (2006)
    SNL theme NBC
    Kiss of Venus PAUL MCCARTNEY (2021)
    In My Life BEATLES (1965)
    I’ve Had Enough WINGS (1979)
    Money BEATLES (1963)
    You Know I’ll Get Ya Baby PAUL MCCARTNEY (1980)
    Robber’s Ball PAUL MCCARTNEY (??)
    
    

The Kids are Alright

SUMMARY: Phoebe and Daphne’s discussion of a recent BBC interview with Sean Lennon spurs a conversation about Yoko, the Lost Weekend and the ongoing Beatles Empire as inherited, shared and managed by the Beatle children. 

This episode is the first of several shorter, fun-sized AKOMs on single topics.

SOURCES:

Sean Lennon Interview BBC Radio 6 (Dec 3, 2024)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKVFU0ba4gA&feature=mweb_to_native_app_fallback_redirect_11268432&itc_campaign=mweb_to_native_app_fallback_redirect_11268432&redirect_app_store_ios=1&app=desktop

Ringo Remembers Christmas 1979: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW1ou7SH3is

DO IT NOW! What AKOM Would Ask Paul If We Could

SUMMARY
Phoebe and Daphne share the AKOM playbook of what they would ask if given the opportunity to interview Paul McCartney. 

We feel Paul’s responses would be illuminating and for the sake of Beatles history we encourage all media personnel to please STEAL THESE QUESTIONS!

 

PLAYLIST
Find My Way PAUL MCCARTNEY (2020)
Do It Now PAUL MCCARTNEY (2018)
Queenie Eye PAUL MCCARTNEY (2013)
Here Today PAUL MCCARTNEY (1983)
Everybody’s Got Something to Hide THE BEATLES (1968)
Oh My Love JOHN LENNON (1971)
I Saw Her Standing There JOHN LENNON & ELTON JOHN (1975)
If I Fell (live in Vancouver) THE BEATLES (1964)
God JOHN LENNON (1971)
Jealous Guy JOHN LENNON (1971)
Real Life JOHN LENNON (1977?)
Starting Over JOHN LENNON (1980)
Starting Over (demo #1) JOHN LENNON (1980)
Don’t Let Me Down THE BEATLES (1969)
I’ll Get You (live) THE BEATLES (1963)
You Know My Name (Look up the Number) THE BEATLES (1970)
Seize the Day PAUL McCARTNEY (2020)

Sex, Death and Progressive Nostalgia: AKOM Talks w/ Dr. Richard Mills

SUMMARY: Dr. Richard Mills joins Phoebe and Daphne for a chit-chat about all things fandom: slash fiction, Beatle novels, murder, conspiracies, tribute bands, horny editors, biopics, Superfan authors and anything else that pops up! 

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https://www.instagram.com/drrichardmills/

Dr Richard Mills is an Associate Professor in English Literature and Popular Culture at St Mary’s University, London. He has been programme director for the Film and Popular Culture, Cultural Studies and Irish Studies degrees. He has published extensively on popular music, Irish literature and culture, film, fashion and British television. Mills is the author of The Beatles and Fandom: Sex, Death and Progressive Nostalgia (Bloomsbury 2019). He is co-editor of Mad Dogs and Englishness (Bloomsbury 2017) and The Beatles and Humour (Bloomsbury 2023). He is author of the forthcoming The Beatles and Black Music: Post-colonial Theory, Musicology and Remix Culture (Bloomsbury 2025). Richard is a regular contributor to BBC4’s Last Word, Sky News, RTE, Portobello Radio and BBC Live. He is also on the editorial board of The Journal of Beatles Studies.

FURTHER READING
Understanding Fandom by Mark Duffett
Dancing in the Streets by Barbara Ehrenreich
The Historian and the Beatles by Erin Torkelson Weber
A Woman’s History of the Beatles by Christine Feldman Barrett
Beatleness: How the Beatles and Their Fans Remade the World By Candy Leonard
Shout, John Lennon: The Life and Paul McCartney: A Life by Philip Norman
Tune In by Mark Lewisohn
Revolution in the Head by Ian McDonald
Beatlebone by Kevin Barry
The Barracks by John McGahern
Memoir by John McGahern
Snodgrass and Other Illusions by Ian R. MacLeod
Across the Universe: Tales of Alternative Beatles by Michael A. Ventrellla and Randee Dawn

The Funkles!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwEuWt_Ow_w

On the Beatle Beat! AKOM Talks w/ Ivor Davis

SUMMARY
OG Beatles Embed Ivor Davis joins Phoebe and Daphne to discuss the sex, drugs, and mania of 1964 (and beyond!) along with plenty of fascinating Beatle minutiae in this free-wheeling, fun and eclectic conversation.

 

SOURCE
The Beatles and Me on Tour IVOR DAVIS (2014); 60th Anniversary Edition (2024)

 

PLAYLIST
Lonesome Tears in My Eyes THE BEATLES (1963)
Ob-la-di-Ob-la-da THE BEATLES (1968)

AKOM Mailbag: Words are Flowing Out 2/2

SUMMARY
Phoebe and Daphne answer listener mail! Part 2/2

TOPICS
Podcast Recs for Beginners
Will Now and Then change convo?
Certainly Not One-Sided
The Love You Make - Brown and Gaines interview
Being Normal About Paul
Opinion on Francie Schwartz
John quote from AKOM theme
Spurred into Marriage
Brother Malcolm Comes to Me
Julia: John= Genius
Maharishi Follow-up

PLAYLIST
Any Road GEORGE HARRISON
This Boy THE BEATLES

SOURCES
“Listen to what the man said: McCartney and journalistic objectivity – a test case” by Martin Shough
https://www.liverpooluniversitypress.co.uk/doi/10.3828/jbs.2024.4

Conversation with Bial December 2, 2023
https://www.the-paulmccartney-project.com/interview/conversation-with-bial/

AKOM Mailbag: Words are Flowing Out 1/2

SUMMARY
Phoebe and Daphne answer listener mail! Part 1/2

TOPICS
Julian Lennon w/ Bill Maher
No Barcelona in Midas Man?!
“Two Years is the Usual Time”
Sam Mendes Beatles Biopics
Starting Over
Paul’s Independence
Did John Give George Money?
May Pang’s Weird Bowie Story
Did They F*ck!?!
John Never Hit Paul

 

SOURCES

Bill Maher w/ Julian Lennon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzS1XbZR3E

Midas Man article:  https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/film/article-brian-epstein-the-midas-man-of-the-beatles-gets-the-biopic-treatment/

 

PLAYLIST
Hi, Hi, Hi WINGS 1972
Intuition JOHN LENNON 1973

Fine Tuning: Ep 11 Wrap Party

SUMMARY: In our final episode of Fine Tuning, we summarize our conclusions, respond to listener feedback, issue corrections, share our hopes and fears for future books and offer our thoughts and predictions on the future of Beatles scholarship.

PLAYLIST
Everyday BUDDY HOLLY
Honey Hush BIG JOE TURNER
I Fall to Pieces PATSY CLINE
Problems THE EVERLY BROTHERS
P.S. I Love You THE BEATLES
Whispering Bells THE DELL-VIKINGS
Que Sera, Sera DORIS DAY
Johnny Angel SHELLEY FABARES
Hit the Road, Jack RAY CHARLES
Crying ROY ORBISON
I’ll Be On My Way THE BEATLES

Serene's Blog:
https://therealtamishow.com/author/therealtamishow/

https://www.tumblr.com/mythserene

MARK LEWISOHN INTERVIEW LINKS:

Interview with Jean Louis-Polard, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ3Cb0c-tnI&t=1s

Fabcast podcast, 2017
013 MARK LEWISOHN
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/013-lewisohn/id1108129093?i=1000383307889

Humans in Love podcast, 2018
#1 (Part One) Beatles Authority Mark Lewisohn (YouTube)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1-part-one-beatles-authority-mark-lewisohn-on-travel/id1386766806?i=1000412043887

Fab4Cast podcast, 2019 
Talking to Mark Lewisohn: #1 Writing The Beatles' History 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkrFSnGnriQ
and #2 Spring 1969 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ-BMzJyGGA&t=17s

Nothing Is Real podcast, 2019
The Mark Lewisohn Interview #14 Part One 
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nothing-is-real-episode-14-the-mark-lewisohn/id1462587848?i=1000452821367

and 
#15 Part Two 
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nothing-is-real-episode-15-mark-lewisohn-part-2/id1462587848?i=1000453706171

Interview with Giljs Groenteman, 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuettzOVmhg

I Am the EggPod podcast, 2019
The Star-Club tapes 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZy3DfdPjU&t=186s

From Me To You podcast, 2020
Mark Lewisohn In Conversation w/ Richard Courtney 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPMlGfXMR_4

Let It Roll podcast, 2020
Mark Lewisohn in Conversation w/Nate Wilcox 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0cbEEHXFp8

Let It Be Beatles podcast, 2020
Mark Lewisohn - The Complete 2020 Let It Be Beatles Interview Podcast (YouTube)
https://soundcloud.com/user-86154098/mark-lewisohn-the-complete-2020-let-it-be-beatles-interview-podcast?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

Fans on the Run podcast, 2022
Ep 73. Mark Lewisohn 
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fans-on-the-run-a-podcast-made-by-for-and-about-beatles-fans/id1522056200?i=1000556606690

Fine Tuning: Ep 10 Unseen Paul

SUMMARY

Unseen Paul builds on our earlier episodes by sharing even more quotes, stories, and insights about young Paul McCartney, who deserves a nuanced and dynamic portrait in any Beatles biography.

We explore some of his more overlooked character traits: his quirks and gifts; his stressors and anxieties; his unusual interests and values. These features reveal him as a fascinatingly dualistic artist and person.

SOURCES
Paul McCartney: the Definitive Biography by Chris Salewicz (1986)
The Beatles by Bob Spitz (2005)
“Portrait of Paul” Women Magazine by Mike McCartney (1965)
Magical Mystery Tours: My Time with the Beatles by Tony Bramwell (2006)
Many Years From Now by Barry Miles (1997)
Thank U Very Much by Mike McCartney
Paul McCartney on Howard Stern (2021)
“A Political Paul” Interview w/ Jonathan Powers for Prospect Magazine (Jan 17, 2009)
Paul McCartney interview w/ Hot Press magazine (2002)
Maureen Cleave “Intelligent Beatle”
“Mockers” Interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9e6zHA6eOY&t=116s
The Beatles Authorized Biography by Hunter Davies (1968)
The Beatles diary: Volume 1 by Barry Miles (2001)
BBC Interview “dyslexia”  (October 4, 1997)
https://www.effinghamradio.com/2023/06/15/happy-birthday-paul-mccartney-2
Angie McCartney Interview w/ Geoffrey Guiliano (1984)
https://www.tumblr.com/pleasantlyinsincere/697307027602571264/angie-and-ruth-mccartney-on-saying-i-love-you-in?source=share
Mike McCartney; Beatles Book Monthly Magazine (1992)
Paul McCartney for New York Times Magazine (2020)
THE LYRICS by Paul McCartney and Paul Muldoon (2021)
Icke, Evelyn Hamann und die Beatles: Eine Art Biografie by Hans “Icke” Braun (2019)
*ENGLISH TRANSLATION of Braun's book and further anecdotes generously provided to AKOM by @packyourromanticmind on tumblr
A Cellar Full of Noise by Brian Epstein (1964)
Allan Williams quote from Music Legends The Beatles Special Edition by The Rock Review Music Legends Library (Sept 2, 2019)
https://issuu.com/codarecordsltd/docs/music_legends_beatles_special_edition
Interview w/ Horst Fascher for Deutschlandfunk Kultur (2006)
Astrid Kirchherr Interviewed by Colin Hall for Get Rhythm (August 2001)

PLAYLIST
Stairway to Paradise SARAH VAUGHAN
4 Pointers 1 TREVOR DUNCAN
Fine and Mellow ETTA JONES
Welcome to My World JIM REEVES
El Paso MARTY ROBBINS
You Go To My Head BILLIE HOLIDAY
Nature Boy NAT KING COLE
Black and White EARL ROBINSON
My Bucket’s Got a Hole in it HANK WILLIAMS
Spoonful HOWLIN WOLF
Since I Don’t Have You THE SKYLINERS
Perhaps DORIS DAY
Lonesome Town RICKY NELSON
Love to Love NINA SIMONE