Welcome to Another Kind of Mind: A Different Kind of Beatles Podcast. We’re a collective of artists, musicians, and professionals who challenge established narratives about the band with irreverent commentary, educated criticism, and original, thought-provoking analysis.

In our second installment of Pizza & Fairytales, we discuss how Yoko draws Paul into her mind games with John. Highlights of Paul’s ensuing visit to John in LA include the Toot ‘n’ Snore jam session and a peculiar Polaroid message sent to Jann Wenner.
Back in New York, John gives his last ever concert performance and the Beatles are finally, legally dissolved. Afterwards, Paul invites John to a rendezvous in New Orleans, setting the stage for a possible Lennon-McCartney reunion.
Loving John, MAY PANG (1983)
Many Years From Now, BARRY MILES (1997)
Chris Salewicz interview w/ Paul McCartney (Sept 1986)
“Ballad of Yoko” BBC programme (1998)
“Can’t buy me love: Yoko tells how Paul saved her marriage to John” The Times UK (Oct 9, 2010)
Man on the Run, TOM DOYLE (2013)
Sticky Fingers, JOE HAGAN (2017)
John & Yoko Interview w/ David Wigg St. Regis Hotel, NY (October, 1971)
Sandra Shevey Interview w/ John & Yoko (1972)
John Lennon and Yoko Ono, interview w/ Jonathan Cott for Rolling Stone: Yoko Ono and her sixteen-track voice. (March 18th, 1971)
Tony King Interview w/ BBC In My Life: John Lennon Remembered (1990)
John Lennon interview w/ Alan Freeman (January, 1975)
Harry Nilsson Interview w/ Geoffrey Guiliano (Feb 17, 1984)
Life: “Paul McCartney talks about the Beatle breakup and his new life” (April 16th, 1971)
Audio letter to John Lennon from Mimi Smith as excerpted on Lost Lennon Tapes (early 1970s)
Move on Fast YOKO ONO
Bluebird (One Hand Clapping) PAUL McCARTNEY & WINGS
I’ll Never Leave You HARRY NILSSON
Whatever Gets You Thru the Night (live) ELTON JOHN & JOHN LENNON
I Saw Her Standing There (live) ELTON JOHN & JOHN LENNON
You Gave Me the Answer PAUL McCARTNEY & WINGS

Our first episode follows John and Paul’s reconciliation in 1972-1973, John & Yoko’s decision to separate, John’s move to Los Angeles with May Pang and John’s steps toward self-acceptance.


TW: violence


Interview w/ Barbara Graustark for Newsweek (1980)
This Is Not Here Press Conference, Everson Museum in Syracuse, NY (October 8, 1971)
Gary Von Syock, LiveforLiveMusic.com  (2015)
Lennon: the Man, the Myth, the Music TIM RILEY (2011)
You Never Give Me Your Money, PETER DOGGETT (2009)
Elliot Mintz Interview w/ John and Yoko (1973)
John Lennon on Weekend World  (April 8, 1973)
Paul McCartney to Nicky Horne (1973)
JOHN LENNON THE LIFE, Philip Norman (2008)
Daily Beast, YOKO ONO (Oct 13, 2015)
John Lennon, interview w/ Lisa Robinson for Hit Parader (December, 1975) 
The Gay Liberation Book (1972)
Loving John, MAY PANG (1983)
John Lennon on Women’s Hour (May 28, 1971)
John Lennon Interview w/ Sandra Shevey (1972)
John Lennon Interview for PLAYBOY (1980)
Paul McCartney Interview, Telegraph UK (Aug 25, 2009)


Silly Love Songs WINGS
New York City JOHN & YOKO
Get On the Right Thing PAUL McCARTNEY & WINGS
Mamunia Paul McCartney & WINGS
I Know I Know (demo) JOHN LENNON
I Can’t Stand the Rain ANN PEEBLES
When the Night (Newcastle 73) WINGS
Move on Fast YOKO ONO

In this episode, we discuss John and Brian’s trip to Barcelona and the violent incident at Paul's 21st Birthday.  We use this as a springboard for broader topics, including how John tends to be unfairly singled out as the only Beatle with a problematic history, the failure to look critically at Brian Epstein's behavior as it pertains to the band, how homophobia curtails discussion of the fallout from the Barcelona trip, and the absence of McCartney’s perspective in the reporting of this incident.

Phoebe and Thalia explore these issues, followed by a panel discussion with newest AKOM host, Iris.

TW: domestic abuse, substance abuse, sexual assault, homophobia, and violence

"Fab: An Intimate Life of Paul McCartney" Howard Sounes (2010)
“John Paul George Ringo and Me” Tony Barrow (2006)
"Meet the Beatles with Barry Miles" for Please Kill Me (2021)  https://pleasekillme.com/beatles-barry-miles/
"John Lennon: the Life" Philip Norman (2008)
"Paul McCartney: The Life" Philip Norman (2016)
"John Lennon: In My Life" Pete Shotton (1983)
Steve Gaines, post to FB group: "Beatles in Print Together and Solo" (2020)
“Loving John” May Pang (1983)
"Meet the Beatles: a Cultural History of the Band that Shook Youth, Gender and the World" Steven D. Stark (2005)
"Love Me Do! The Beatles' Progress" Michael Braun (1964)
"Behind that Locked Door" Graeme Thomson (2013)
"The Search for John Lennon" Lesley Ann Jones (2020)

Three Cool Cats THE BEATLES
Please Please Me THE BEATLES
Keep Your Hands Off My Baby THE BEATLES
Baby it’s You THE BEATLES
I’m Gonna Sit Right Down and Cry Over You THE BEATLES
Hello Little Girl THE FOURMOST
Everybody’s Trying to Be My Baby THE BEATLES
Too Much Monkey Business  THE BEATLES
Soldier of Love THE BEATLES

Join Phoebe and Kristen as they discuss the influences, cinematic context and lasting cultural impact of Magical Mystery Tour!


  1. Influences and Context 2:23
  2. Critical Reception. Does MMT warrant re-evaluation? 18:50
  3. Stanley Kubrick - echoes of MMT 44:30
  4. Weekend - a slice of 1967 art cinema 1:09:21
  5. Discussion of Magical Mystery Tour 1:25:26

TW: brief mention of a (fictional) sexual assault on a minor in the Kubrick section


Rob Ager’s analysis of the Bear in The Shining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW2GrG7Zk0U

Juli Kearn’s analysis of A Clockwork Orange: http://idyllopuspress.com/idyllopus/film/co_three.htm#magical

FILMOGRAPHY (movies referenced in the podcast)

  1. Magical Mystery Tour (1967) The Beatles
  2. Strawberry Fields Forever (1967) Peter Goldmann
  3. The Seventh Seal (1957) Ingmar Bergman
  4. One Plus One (1969) Jean-Luc Godard
  5. The Trial (1960) Orson Welles
  6. 8 ½ (1060) Federico Fellini
  7. Scorpio Rising (1960) Kenneth Anger
  8. Empire (1966) Andy Warhol
  9. Running, Jumping Standing Still (1959) Dick Lester
  10. Weekend (1967) Jean-Luc Godard
  11. Daisies (1966) Věra Chytilová.
  12. The Shining (1980) Stanley Kubrick
  13. A Clockwork Orange (1971) Stanley Kubrick
  14. 2001 (1969) Stanley Kubrick
  15. Barry Lyndon (1975) Stanley Kubrick
  16. Dr. Strangelove (1964) Stanley Kubrick
  17. The Astronomer's Dream (1898) Georges Méliès
  18. Breathless (1960) Jean-Luc Godard
  19. Tom Jones (1963) Tony Richardson
  20. The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover (1989) Peter Greenaway
  21. A Taste of Honey (1961) Tony Richardson

Paul and Linda McCartney’s RAM, now often referred to by many as the “first indie pop album” had its 50th birthday on May 17, 2021!  To commemorate this important milestone anniversary, join Thalia as she gives “An AKOM Toast!” to RAM at 50!  Happy #RAMiversary! 


Part 1: RAM by Paul and Linda McCartney

  1. Too Many People
  2. 3 Legs
  3. Ram On
  4. Dear Boy
  5. Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
  6. Smile Away
  7. Heart Of The Country
  8. Monkberry Moon Delight
  9. Eat At Home
  10. Long Haired Lady
  11. Ram On
  12. The Back Seat Of My Car


Part 2: "Indie Pop Medley"

  1. “Prairie Fire the Wanders About” by Sufjan Stevens 
  2. "Home Again" by Michael Kiwanuka
  3. “Will Do” by TV on the Radio 
  4. “Where Gravity is Dead,” by Laura Veirs 
  5. “The Infanta” by the Decemberists 
  6. “Soul Meets Body by Death Cab for Cutie” 
  7. "Eugene" by Arlo Parks
  8. “Suddenly Everything Has Changed” by the Flaming Lips
  9. "Stella Brown" by Jelani Aryeh
  10. “The Breeze” by Dr. Dog 
  11. “Golden Days” by Whitney 
  12. "Sunrise" by Kenny Elrod
  13. ”Let’s Get Lost” by Elliot Smith 
  14. "Pass the Hours" by MorMor
  15. "Lord Only Knows" by Beck

Part 3: Covers of RAM by various artists

  1. “Dear Boy” cover by Death Cab for Cutie
  2. "Too Many People" cover by Dave Depper
  3.  "The Back Seat of My Car" cover by the Damn Crystals
  4. “Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey” cover by Novelty Island
  5. "Ram On" cover by Found Wandering
  6. "Zpívám si jen tak" (Heart of the Country) cover by Martha & Tena
  7. “Ram On" instrumental cover by They Might Be Giants
  8. “Monkberry Moon Delight” cover by Robbers on High Street
  9. "Ram On" cover by R. Stevie Moore

Links for RAM covers (not found on Spotify): 

  1. “Dear Boy” cover by Death Cab for Cutie: https://youtu.be/kP3z785ebdY 
  2. “Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey” cover by Novelty Island: https://youtu.be/mtG9j1T3KcI and https://noveltyisland.bandcamp.com/track/uncle-albert-admiral-halsey-paul-linda-mccartney-cover 
  3. “Ram On" instrumental cover by They Might Be Giants https://youtu.be/ouk7p_ambx8 
  4. "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" cover by Holly Henderson: https://youtu.be/9fKg5m5j7M4

  5. "Monkberry Moon Delight" cover by Club Helmbreker https://youtu.be/0m7ydfWqzgk

Spotify Playlist: 


Instrumental covers:

Ryohei Kanayama on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5nrctquJucCKcYLrfB4euxU4RMjeGuu8 

Marcel Lichter on YouTube: https://youtu.be/L3vQrh1Xbeg

joehlers on YouTube: https://youtu.be/mmccz9WzHZk 

Recommendations and mentions:

  1. Understanding McCartney Documentary Series by Breathless345 on YouTube: https://youtu.be/kjjqUCvHNIs 
  2. Why Paul McCartney’s RAM is the first Indie Pop Album by Elliot Roberts on YouTube: https://youtu.be/CRZHvvYsc5w
  3. Interview with RAM & Wings drummer Denny Seiwell celebrating Ram On! by Elliot Roberts: https://youtu.be/nx4Lgf-nmKA 
  4. Paul McCartney - Ram (full album) REACTION by Welp Here We Are On YouTube: https://youtu.be/7XU_VpeIUl8
  5. 1971: The Year That Music Changed Everything by Apple TV+: https://www.apple.com/tv-pr/originals/1971-the-year-that-music-changed-everything/ 

Other Sources:

  1.  Sticky Fingers: The Life and Times of Jann Wenner and Rolling Stone Magazine by Joe Hagan, pg 169, and "Book Review: Sticky Fingers" by Dr. Erin Torkelson Weber,  www.beatlebioreview.wordpress.com  
  2. Ben Gibbard of Death Cab for Cutie: May 7, 2020 quarantine livestream: https://youtu.be/hfLEvRY1kcA
  3. Dave Depper of Death Cab for Cutie, The Ram Project: https://www.davedepper.com/the-ram-projec
  4. The Damn Crystals on their Pure McCartney project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Gk4KUn-vs
  5. “The Eternal Sunshine of Harry Styles.” Rolling Stone Magazine.  Rob Sheffield.  August 26, 2019. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/harry-styles-cover-interview-album-871568/
  6. “My Favorite Album: Fred Armisen on Paul and Linda McCartney’s ‘RAM.’”  Under the Radar Magazine. Joshua M. Miller. Jun 22, 2020.  http://www.undertheradarmag.com/interviews/my_favorite_album_fred_armisen_on_paul_and_linda_mccartneys_ram
  7. “Another Day: Paul McCartney’s Once-Maligned, Now-Adored ‘Ram’ at 50.”  The Ringer.  Ben Lindbergh.  May 14, 2021. https://www.theringer.com/music/2021/5/14/22435675/paul-mccartney-ram-50th-anniversary-legacy
  8. The All McCartney Podcast.  Interview with Eirik Wangberg. http://www.allmccartneypodcast.com/episodes/2017/5/25/episode-14-pauls-norwegian-connections-fredrik-skavlan-and-eirik-the-norwegian  
  9. Paul McCartney quotes on working with Linda McCartney as a vocalist. RAM Deluxe reissue liner notes.  Released May 2012. https://www.paulmccartney.com/news-blogs/news/paul-and-linda-mccartneys-legendary-album-ram-set-for-deluxe-reissue 

What can we learn about Paul McCartney from the female protagonists in his songbook? Phoebe and Thalia discuss several McCartney compositions featuring prominent female characters and identify their central themes.

“Many Years From Now” by Barry Miles (1997)
Interview w/ Allison Anders, Bomb Magazine (1997)
Paul McCartney interview w/ Jonathan Wingate Record Collector (2008)
“Chaos and Creation at Abbey Road” (2006)
"Still I Rise" by Maya Angelou (1978)
“The Oprah Winfrey Show” (1984)
Interview w/ Paul McCartney for Billboard Magazine (2001)
Paul McCartney Interview w/ Susan Goldberg for National Geographic (2017)

She’s Leaving Home (1967)
Jet (1973)
Blackbird (1968)
Jenny Wren (2005)
Working Women at the Top (1991)
It’s Not On (1982)
Temporary Secretary (1980)
Another Day (1971)
Penny Lane (1967)
Eleanor Rigby (1966)
Eleanor’s Dream (1984)
Treat Her Gently/Lonely Old People (1975)
English Tea (2005)
Let it Be (1970)
Imprisonment, Ocean’s Kingdom (2011)
Daytime Nighttime Suffering (1979)
Mama’s Little Girl (1973)
The World You’re Coming Into (1991)
Lady Madonna (1968)
For No One (1966)

Extended Spotify Playlist: Click Here

Was Jealous Guy written for Paul McCartney? Listen to our essay and decide for yourself.

John Lennon Interview w/ David Sheff for Playboy. (September, 1980) 
Interview with John Lennon & Yoko Ono, (May 28th, 1971)
“The Beatles” by Hunter Davies (1968)
“The Beatles and the Historians” Erin Torkelson (2016)
Neil McCormick for Telegraph UK (1998)
“John, Paul, George, Ringo & Me: The Real Beatles Story” by Tony Barrow (2005)
The Best of the Beatles Book (ed. Johnny Dean). (2005)
JL Interview w/ Peter McCabe and Robert Schonfeld at St. Regis Hotel (September, 1971)
“What’s It All About” Cilla Black (2003)
“Q: Paul McCartney: An Innocent Man?” By Chris Salewicz (October, 1986)
Robert Rosen interview w/ Maria Spain (2010)
Lunchtime dialogue, Twickenham Film Studios, London (January 13th, 1969)
Paul McCartney, interview w/ Ray Connolly, Evening Standard: Paul on 'why the Beatles broke up' (April 21st, 1970)
“Meet Paul Saltzman, the Canadian who hung out with The Beatles at the Rishikesh Ashram” Nikhila Natarajan for FirstPost (December 14, 2015)
Paul McCartney, interview w/ Diane de Dubovay for Playgirl (February, 1985)
“Later with Bob Costas” (1991)
Derek Taylor, interview w/ Peter Doggett for Record Collector. (August, 1988)
“With the Beatles: A Stunning Insight by The Man who was with the Band Every Step of the Way” Alistair Taylor (2011)

Jealous Guy by John Lennon (1971)
Cayenne by the Beatles (1960)
Besame Mucho by the Beatles (1962)
It’s For You Cilla Black (1965)
Let it Be by the Beatles (1969)
All Together Now by the Beatles (1967)
Child of Nature (Esher Demo) by the Beatles (1968)
Say Say Say by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson (1983)
Jealous Guy by YouTube user pablohoneymp3 (2016)

In this episode of our series Thru the AKOM Lens, Phoebe and Thalia discuss and unpack the documentary Going Underground: Paul McCartney, The Beatles, and the UK Counter-Culture. This fascinating and thought-provoking film covers an extremely important yet often uncelebrated period of not only McCartney and the Beatles, but also pop culture history!  

When you're done listening, be sure to listen to the Spotify playlist we've curated as a companion to this episode: Check It Out Here

In this episode of our new series examining the Beatles on film, Phoebe and Kristen discuss fantasy, reality and the creation of the Beatles myth with two landmark films from the start of Beatlemania: A Hard Day’s Night and The Beatles First US Visit

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